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Electric motors in karts: A Simple Guide
By: nedfunnell @ DIY Go Karts - Forum
Filed Under: Go Kart -
To start: Electric motors- AC vs. DC I'll just put this plainly- you can't use an AC motor in a go-kart. Sure, it would be technically possible, and some electric cars use AC motors, but those are with $10k control systems. The reason is that AC is different from AC. AC stands for 'Alternating Current" and is what comes out of your wall socket. It's used because it transmits long distances better along wires (from the power plant to you) and doesn't electrocute people quite so badly. DC stands for 'Direct Current' and is what comes out of a battery. It's plain electricity, and it's what you want to use for a go kart. To get more technical, AC is called 'alternating' because the polarity (the + and -) reverses- in the AC in your house, it happens 60 times per second. An AC motor needs this. Now, it is possible to make AC out of DC. Most people have seen inverters, which you can plug into you car's cigarette lighter and then plug in a laptop, blender, whatever. Why not just use one of those? The answer is current, and power. For a good electric go-kart, your power demands are going to be around 1000 watts or more. 1000 watt inverters are available, but they wouldn't work- why not? Because of surge current. An electric motor is an 'inductive' load. Have you ever seen your kitchen lights dim when the refrigerator or microwave comes on? That's because those are both inductive loads, and inductive loads require a TON of power to start. Say some electric motor might need 250 watts when its running- to start under load (like a go-kart does) it might need 1000 or 1500 watts to start. Your 1000 watts kart motor starting under load might need 5000 watts. Go price a 5000 watter inverter. Yeah, you don't want to do that. You might think that maybe you can make it work even though some people say it's a bad idea- trust me, I'm one of those people who chases down bad ideas to see what will happen. Don't even bother. So to be clear, you can't reasonably use any AC motor in a kart unless you want to go no further than your longest extension cord. That means don't bother with any motor marked AC or which comes out of a washing machine, belt sander, or anything that plugs in to the wall. There are two exceptions to this: treadmills and really loud power tools. Most treadmills use a 90v DC motor- the treadmill contains a rectifier which converts the AC to DC. Loud power tools like angle grinders and circular saws use a motor called a 'universal motors' which can operate on either AC or DC. I wouldn't use either a treadmill or universal motor either. Why not? They are made for 90 to 120 volts (in the US) and not very powerful. While a treadmill motor might seem like it's powerful, consider that you're going to have to carry around at least seven batteries (of car battery size) to get enough voltage and power. It's the same as with the inverter- technically possible, but as a DIY go-kart maker, it's not what you want. OK, that's all bad news. What's the good news? Well, there are plenty of DC electric go cart motors out there perfect for go-karts. What should you look for in a DC electric go cart motors? 1. Low voltage. The lower the voltage, the fewer batteries you have to carry around. Also, if the rated voltage is lower, you can overvolt the motor, which gives you more power. Say you get a 24v motor- you could run it on 36v and get a lot more power. Could you run it on 48v... or 72v? Yes... but for a very short time. 48v is probably the limit for a 24v motor (double is the rule of thumb for the limit) Why? Well, putting that extra voltage in a electric go cart motor causes extra current to flow, which is where your power comes from. This is a problem because the more current that flows, the hotter the motor gets- and when it gets too hot, it will burn up, explode, and leave you standed. What happens is that the insulation in the electric go cart motor is rated for a certain lifetime (say 20 years) at a low temperature. If you double that temperature, that rating may drop to say, 1 year. If you get it really, really hot, it might fry in ten seconds. Don't overheat your motors. You could do a 12v motor at 18v or 24v. You could do a 24v motor at 36 or 48v. You could do a 36v motor at 48v. I wouldn't put more than 48v in a kart for two reasons: weight (batteries are heavy, and 4 12v batteries is about as much as you want to carry around) and safety. 48v is high voltage for DC. A person with dry fingers can touch both terminals of a 12v battery and (probably) not fry themselves. However, do it with 120v house voltage, and you'll get a nasty shock. That's because it takes a certain amount of voltage to overcome your body (especially your skin) resistance. Once there's enough voltage to overcome that resistance, you're being electrocuted. It only takes 0.025 of one amp to stop your heart, and any battery will do that easily. If you're going to make an electric go kart, you need to educate yourself on electricity safety. I won't write that book here, but go read up on it- and don't put more than 48v in a kart unless you've had technician-level training. (Note: I'm not saying 48v is 'safe', but neither are go-karts) Okay, safety lecture over.
Where can you find good motors for electric go karts?
D&D Motor Systems, Inc!! The last thing I'll talk about with electric motors is their power ratings. There are two important things you need to know- electric motors are rated for continous power, meaning they can make that power all day, all night, for years on end. Gas engines are rated on instantaneous power, which is how much than can produce for a moment. Secondly, electric motors produce maximum torque (the force with which it spins the wheels) at zero RPM. Have you ever ridden a two-stroke dirtbike? All the power comes around 5000rpm, so you have to wait for the engine to get up to speed, THEN you get power. Electric motors are the opposite- you get all your acceration at the very start, and it tapers off linearly as you speed up. This makes for very fun take-offs if your batteries, controller, and motor are up to it. What this means is that you have to think about electric power ratings differently. A Harbor Freight 6.5HP gas motor might be fun, but a 6.5HP electric motor is nearly 5000 watts (746W = 1HP) and will rip your face off and melt your batteries. Sweet. You can use much smaller HP rated electric motor than you would a gas motor, and have the same amount of fun. So, how do you throttle an electric motor? You have three options: on/off control (likely to fry something), progressive on/off control with multiple batteries, and a controller. On/off control is where you just have a big switch (or more likely, a big relay or contactor) and you get full power as soon as your throw the switch. I wouldn't recommend this, as the surge power phenomenon which I mention above means that you're switching on a LARGE amount of current all at once, and quite frequently what this will do is actually weld the contacts of your switch in the closed position, which now means that you're sitting on a kart which is at full throttle and won't turn off. I know a person who tried something like this on an electric motorcycle and has the scars to prove it. Unless it's small motor and big big switch, I'd avoid this.
How about progressive on/off control? Simply, this means that you are switching on your batteries one at a time. Say you're running a 24v motor, and overvolting it to 36v. You'll have three 12v batteries, most likely. What you'll do is have three switches (relays). One will switch on the first 12v battery. The second will switch on both the first and second, giving you 24v. The last will switch all three batteries into the circuit, giving you full power. This is much less likely to kill you... as long as you wire everything up right. I won't draw up a diagram for you, but there are some out there to look up. I'll warn you that if you just draw one up, it's easy to wire things up such that you are dead-shorting a battery, which could weld your contacts cause the battery to explode if you are unable to break the circuit. Be careful.
Be careful with this because your first battery to be switched on is going to drain much faster than your last battery. You will need to charge your batteries individually (not in series) and stop driving immediately when your performance with the first battery [/i]only[/i] starts to decline. You will permanently damage your batteries if you over-discharge them. Lastly, you can use a controller. This is the best option, and predictably the most expensive. Your best bet is a golf cart controller. They are made for duty like this and don't require a special radio input like a brushless controller does (just a potentiometer, which is a simple electronic component). These can be had on ebay, and the brand you're likely to have luck with is Curtis. Do your research on your controller and make sure it's for a PMDC motor (Permanent Magnet, Direct Current) If it's for a series motor, that's OK (and series motors are OK to use) but you'll have to study the wiring diagram carefully and read up to hook everything up properly. You can also find electric bike and scooter controllers, but these are likely to be too small to use for a 'fun' kart unless you're making something for your eight-year-old that weighs 60lb. Lastly, you can get motor controllers for combat robots from the same site I linked to for the motors. These are a good option, but expensive again and require a home-made throttle, because they're meant to interface with a radio. This would be a good option if you found a cheap big DC motor and don't mind spending some $$$ to get to use it. You may not overvolt controllers. The max nominal rating is the max rating, and that's it. A controller can be instantly destroyed if its voltage rating is exceeded, even more a moment. Manufacturers build in a little bit of leeway because a 24v battery bank will be more like 28v when it's fresh off of the charger, but the rated voltage is all you can use. The last thing I'll talk about is batteries. Unless you're more advanced than someone who needs the info in this post, you're going to use lead-acid batteries. This is the same technology as a car battery. Don't use car batteries, though, because they're the wrong type. There are two kind of batteries here- starting batteries and deep-discharge batteries. A car battery has to supply an enormous amount of current for about three seconds when you start the car, then spends the rest of its life either being charged by the alternator, or supplying a microscopic amount of current to keep your car radio presets in memory. Car batteries are built for this duty, and if you try to use them on a kart, you'll have fun for about ten minutes, then the batteries will die- and not just being discharged, they'll be permanently damaged. Don't try this unless you want to be disappointed or will be happy with a short-lived, expensive project. If you've got a stack of car batteries you could use them for testing, but that's about it. Also, car batteries contain liquid sulfuric acid, which can spill out more easily than you think. If it gets on you, it will make you go blind, burn you, refinance your mortgage at 10%, key your car, and punch you in the gut. Don't mess with acid. By contrast, you want to be able to ride your cart for, say, 30-60 minutes drawing a moderate amount of current the whole time. For this, you need a deep-discharge battery. The only car batteries that are good for this are Optima Yellowtop or Bluetop batteries, or similar. They don't have liquid acid inside and are made for deep discharge. These are great batteries to use if you can afford them. You can find other lead-acid batteries called AGM, or Absorbed Glass Mat. These are like sealed lead acid (see below) except they electrolyte (acid) is absorbed up in fiberglass mats inside the battery, making them shock resistant. AGMs are typically high quality and high cost. Also, you can use a sealed lead acid battery (SLA). These are great, and probably what I'd use. You'll be tempted to buy the small ones- they come in tiny, affordable sizes that are complete crap for kart use. You want the big ones. At minimum, 12Ah for a small scooter-motor kart ridden by your eight year old, and 18-30Ah or more for bigger karts. More battery is better 99% of the time. Until you get to the point that your kart has so much battery that it weighs the same as a brontosaurus, more batteries are going to help. Why? Because of current, again. Karts require a lot of current. Small batteries put out a small amount of current happily, or a large amount of current, and then die immediately. If you don't want to be limited in performance and killing your batteries dead, use big batteries. The same way that overdischarging your batteries by running them completely flat will kill them dead, overdischarging by asking for too much current at once will quickly kill them. On top of that, asking for lots of current will reduce how long you can ride- because of something called the Peukert effect, drawing a lot of power from a battery effectively reduces how long it will last. An SLA battery is generally rated at a 20-hour discharge rate. So it may have 18Ah of juice in it... but only if you ask for it slowly over 20 hours. If you ask for all of its juice in 30 minutes, you may only really get 10Ah out of it. (I pulled that number out of thin air). It's a pretty significant effect, though. Okay, what are Ah? Ah stands for Amp-hours. If a battery is rated at 18Ah, it can put out one amp for 18 hours, or if you ignore the Peukert effect I just explained, 18 amps for one hour. Or 9 amps for 2 hours. Get it? You might also see batteries rated by 'RC' or Reserve Capacity. This is how many minutes the batteries will last at 25A discharge (that is, if your alternator gives out and you need your headlights and engine control unit). You can convert RC to Ah with simple math- if you're embarking on an electric kart build, figuring that one out should be something you can do. What about CCA and CA? These are not ratings of how long a battery will last, or ratings that you will see on batteries that you want to use in a kart. Note above where I talked about starting batteries vs. deep discharge batteries. CCA stands for 'Cold Cranking Amps' and is a measure of how much current a battery can put put for just an instant when it's cold. (CA is the same thing, but not as cold- cold affect batteries) Generally, only starting batteries are rated for CCA or CA. There are some dual-use batteries that might be rated for CCA and still be deep-discharge, but these are more expensive and you can do better with a properly-sized deep-discharge battery. Big wheelchair batteries are super for most karts. How do you charge your batteries? I'd recommend getting several normal 12v car battery chargers and charging each battery that way, or using one and doing each battery after the last. (That takes forever) If you can find one or afford one, a golf cart battery charger that matches your voltage is the best thing. Some basic stuff to round it out: Wiring something in parallel means + to +, - to -. You'll get the same voltage, but more current and capacity. Wiring something in series mean + to -, and then you take your power off of the other + and -. You get more voltage (it adds) but no extra current or capacity. Current measure how much electricity is flowing, like the rate of water through a pipe. Current is measured in amps. Voltage measures how much electrical 'force' there is, like the pressure of water in a pipe. Voltage is measured in volts. Power is a combination of the two, and is like measuring both- how much water is flowing through the pipe and with how much force. Power is measured in watts, and volts times amps equals watts. You can also go backwards- a 500 watt motor at 24v will need 500W divided by 24V = 20.8A theoretically but in practice will need more, due to efficiency losses. 70% is a fair estimate for motor efficiency, so really it'd be around 20.8 divided 70% (0.70) = 29.7A. Okay, that's a good starting point for what you need to know for electric power systems on karts. So you want to make a fun electric go-kart? Inclined to do overkill? Here's your recipe, pre-overkilled: Get an electric golf cart motor, it will probably be 36v rated and lots of power. Get a 48v-rated golf cart controller and four Optima Yellowtop batteries. Strap this all to a frame of your preferred format and go have fun. Want to make a fun little electric kart for your kid that's outgrown his powerwheels? (Or are you skinny?) Get one of those 900W scooter motors and run it at 36V instead of 24V, and use the 18Ah SLAs that are common for wheelchairs. There you go. Go for it and make some cool electric karts. Post pics.
Newest Go-Kart Race Track: Inside The Local Mall?
By: AOL Autos Staff
Filed Under: Go Kart -
Having trouble finding an open parking space at your local shopping mall? Here's one way to solve that problem with a with electric go kart . go cart motors Starting from the road outside, two men simply drove the through the parking lot and then proceeded inside the Destiny USA mall in Syracuse, New York, at speeds of up to 45 miles per hour. There's a bit of a catch – Bob Congel and Bruce Kenan own the place. electric go kart In a promotional stunt, the video above shows them both whipping through the semi-closed mall, in some cases, while onlookers stand aside, making a pit stop in the venue's food court for a beverage and a fender bender or two. Their goal was to promote high-performance store electric go cart motors Pole Position Raceway , which recently opened in Destiny. Pole Position, an company, has eight locations throughout the country, and intends to open more soon, including one slated to open in St. Louis. electric go kart The company used so that it can eschew running traditional gas engines inside. "From a competition standpoint, our high-performance electric go cart motors accelerate quicker and handle better than any other indoor competition kart on the planet" the company said in a written statement on its website. An electric go karts is installed with electric go kart that provide way more torque than a comparable gas model. MSD go cart motors
Club educates through electric vehicles
By: Geoff Burns
Filed Under: Go Kart -
One club on campus is focusing on helping the environment by making electrical vehicles to promote clean and renewable fuel alternatives.
The University's Motor Sports Club is a student-run organization in which students can get hands-on experience with the latest technology and a chance to race
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The club has been around since 1994 and has 20 students on roster.
Anthony Palumbo, adviser of the University's Motor Sports Club, said getting the experience of the reality-based program is something that cannot be learned in the classroom.
"One thing about motor sports above all other sports is that it's not only athletics participating, but people who can put stuff together with electronics," Palumbo said. "The beauty of the Motor Sports Club is that it's open to anybody with any major because the motor sports enterprise can utilize the experience of all majors."
The organization's program is funded by members, donations and marketing partners. (
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"Last year we generated almost $20,000 of brand new money that did not come out of students' tuition," Palumbo said. "That money was used to buy and build the latest electric vehicle technology. We have state of the art technology here and my students get that experience."
President of the University's Motor Sports Club, Spencer Lee, said the program has recently converted into more of an environmental sustainability club.
"Last year was the year that we converted over to the electric go karts," Lee said. "Before we ran our carts on gas and ethanol."
Lee said there is a race called the Electrical Vehicle Grand Prix in Indianapolis the week after finals, which the club plans to complete in with their
. The electric go kart have more torque than there gas counterparts. go kart electric motors
"What makes us different from other clubs is that we go out and actually compete in
races," Lee said. electric go kart
One member of the Motor Sports Club, freshman Joseph Zbasnik, started participating in the
racing club during fall semester. electric go kart
"Getting experience with the electrical technology and everything that goes into the design of the
is awesome," Zbasnik said. "Anyone can join. I'm learning new stuff in the club every day about the club and about how electric go kart work." go cart motors
Anyone interested in becoming part of the club can email Spencer Lee at
firstname.lastname@example.org or Anthony Palumbo at email@example.com.
The club meets every Thursday at the Airport from 1-4 p.m. MSD
Go-Karts Are Coming To Somers Golf Center
By: Megan Bard
Filed Under: Go Kart -
There is a chance that by the Fourth of July holiday travelers along Main Street will hear a faint whir coming from the Somers Golf Center.
The sound will be from new outdoor
whizzing around a 1,015-foot long concrete track that will be built at the rear of the property behind the existing 18-hole miniature golf course and batting cages. electric go karts
Tuesday night, the Zoning Commission approved a special permit request submitted by
349 Main Street LLC, owner of the actvity center that also includes a driving range and Sonny's Restaurant.
Prior to voting on the request the commission held a 7-minute long public hearing, just enough time for Timothy Coon of
J.R. Russo & Associates LLC, an engineering and surveying company based in East Windsor, to present the proposal and commissioners to ask for public comment - there was none.
The plan has already been approved by the wetlands commission and received a positive recommendation from the planning and conservation commissions, along with the health department official.
"We're excited to make it more of an amuzement center for the local region to enjoy. We want to make it more for the whole family to come out and fly around in these carts with an
," Jonathan Murray said after the vote; Murray represents the owner. electric go-kart motor
In addition to the track, a small pit building will be constructed for maintenance and storage associated with the track and the 24 electric (s). The go kart used are electric and have a ton more torque than a gas model. go cart motors are inexpensive, quite, and have a lot of power. Go kart electric motors
The project is within the 100 year flood plain so compensatory storage will be created on the far side of the wetland, as approved by the wetlands commission.
The track will be pitched inward so that any runoff can be collected in a single location and go through a series of filters before being discharged to a wetland at the rear of the site.
Duo power up for kart race
By: Nicola Weatherall, Sunday Sun
Filed Under: Go Kart -
TWO North students are on track to build an
that will reach a hair-raising 100mph. That a lot of power for a electric go kart . go kart electric motor
What’s more, the duo will become the first British go-karters to compete in one of the world’s biggest racing tournaments.
Engineering students John Wood and Hayley Blythe, from Sunderland, are currently developing the
and battery for the electric go-kart motor , which will power their way to the Indianapolis 500-Mile Race. electric go kart
Also known as the Indy 500, it is billed as America’s greatest spectacle in racing and is regarded as one of the most significant motorsport events in the world.
More than 400,000 racing enthusiasts attend the event every year and it is watched on television by millions of viewers across the globe.
This is the first time any vehicle outside the US has been invited to compete in Indianapolis Motor Speedway’s prestigious Electric Vehicle Grand Prix – or evGrandPrix.
This year’s Indy 500 is particularly special as it celebrates its 100th anniversary, but the evGrandPrix is a much more recent addition to the event schedule.
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John and Hayley, who are studying at Sunderland University, have been set the challenge to design, build and race a fast and energy-efficient
over 100 laps. The electric go kart are very quiet but very powerful. go kart electric motors
They were invited to compete after a visit to Purdue University in Indiana during a conference with the Society for Motor Manufacturers and Traders.
On race day, it will be Hayley behind the wheel of the
and she’s determined she can cut it in a man’s sport with her high performance electric go kart . go kart electric motors
Dave Baglee, project coordinator at Sunderland University, who’ll be joining the students at the event, added: “John and Hayley are excited at the thought of showing off their
skills. We have a great car with an incredible electric go kart and a strong team spirit, and real potential to compete well and finish in a top position.” electric go-kart motor
The evGrandPrix will take place on May 7, 2011. MSD
Electric-kart inventor hopes to inspire more
By: DAVID BRO
Filed Under: Go Kart -
After President Barack Obama said early in his presidency that we, as a nation, must start building things again, San Clemente real estate broker George Fortin went to work to build an
from scratch in the garage of his Talega home with a high performance electric go kart . electric go-kart motor
In November, a year and $4,000 later, he finished the 20-horsepower, zero-emission vehicle he calls the Z-Kart.(
) It uses six lead-acid batteries and has a range of 20 miles at speeds of 40 to 50 mph, depending on the gearing installed. With a frame built from recycled electric go kart polyethylene, it weighs about 300 pounds and can be charged from a regular household electrical outlet in about three hours, Fortin said.
Fortin, 55, said he was inspired not only by the words of the president but also a personal conviction to live "greener."
"If I can build this using common tools and stuff from local hardware stores, then think of what someone could build with better resources and an engineering degree," he said.
WATCH A VIDEO FEATURING FORTIN AND THE Z-KART.
His parents learned quickly that no household appliance was safe from their son when he had a screwdriver in his hand. He took apart can openers and hairdryers and even made an electric scooter with the rotisserie motor from his dad's barbecue.
Fortin, who grew up in Diamond Bar, began "engineering"
when he was about 11, including secretly taking apart his dad's first gasoline lawn mower. electric go karts
But he didn't get serious until he upgraded an old motorized minibike. He said all the adults in the neighborhood had off-road bikes and would regularly ride to the top of a particularly steep hill. Limited by the small motor on his minibike, he was unable to tag along. But he swapped his bike's 3-horsepower motor for a Briggs & Stratton 8-horsepower model, and soon he was on top of the hill.
"The (bigger) motor was all in pieces when I got it, and when I had it on the bike it was so big, the spark plug came up through the top of the seat. But I made it work," Fortin said. "Sitting on top of that hill ... it was my moment."
Fortin, who has no formal training in design or engineering, has never stopped making things, with dozens of self-propelled vehicles and
made and pulled apart again – always salvaging the parts to make something better. Trial and error has shown him what works and what doesn't, including gear ratios, chassis design, suspension and steering assemblies. electric go karts
Fortin says he is driven by curiosity about how things work and making things people can use efficiently and safely.
"I am just a big kid," he said.
His first Z-Kart had spoked bicycle wheels, but when the motor torque and tight steering tests kept tearing the wheels off, he redesigned it using dune-buggy wheels with motorcycle tires, along with other refinements.
"I really want to use my story to support making the garage a breeding ground for new ideas," Fortin said. "Big corporate companies are too bogged down with stuff. The garage is a personal space free from negativity ... and politics, where a person with the passion and an idea can be creative. Apple and Microsoft did it."
Fortin said he has had about 155,000 hits on his
featuring the Z-Kart, along with more than 4,000 emails from people inquiring about how to build an YouTube videos themselves. He also has been contacted by San Clemente-based chassis maker electric go kart Swift Engineering to possibly help take the Z-Kart to the next level with higher performance . MSD go kart electric motors
Go Karts: 7 Advantages of Electric Go Karts Over Gas
By: D Swain
Filed Under: Go Kart -
Deciding to buy your child a go kart can be a difficult decision to make. If you have already decided to take the plunge, then you may be trying to decide whether gas or
are the better choice. electric go karts have a number of advantages over karts powered by gas. This article will share with you those advantages. Electric go karts Cheaper are usually much cheaper than their gas counterparts. Karts powered by gas normally start around $400 or $500. You can find a lot of Electric go karts that will only cost you a maximum of $200. electric go karts are easy to find. D&D Motor Systems, Inc has plenty. Go kart electric motors Safer Go karts that rely on gas for power can be dangerous due to the fact that gasoline is extremely flammable. Most parents wouldn't be too thrilled with having their kids handling gasoline. Even kids can safely handle the batteries required by . Also, most electric go karts have some form of electric go karts that allows the parent to control the electric go kart controller speed. electric go kart
Environmentally Friendlier Everyone knows that burning gas releases toxic fumes into the atmosphere. For the environmentally conscious parent, are the perfect solution. In addition to helping save the Earth, your kid won't be breathing in any poisonous fumes while he's having fun in his new electric go kart motors . electric go kart Noise The engine of gas powered go karts make a lot of noise when running. If you live in a relatively quiet neighborhood, this may cause problems with your neighbors. make considerably less noise. Electric go kart motors Maintenance Maintenance costs for go karts powered by gas can add up quickly. You will need a constant supply of fuel. In addition to this, gas engines are more susceptible to breakdowns and oil leaks. With , you can simply recharge the battery time and time again. Also, electric go kart motors have much less moving parts, so they are far less likely to break down. An electric go karts is very simple to get repaired. electric go kart motor Performance usually are more efficient than gas go kart engines. Electric go kart motors easily outperform gas powered karts in handling and performance. Also, Electric go kart motors are virtually impossible to tip over while cutting sharp corners like gas go karts are vulnerable to doing. electric go karts Easier to Start
, you just turn the key and press the pedal. electric go kart motors have a ton of immediate torque. MSD Go kart electric motors